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Table of Contents
- Fictional Foundations of Trinitarian Thought
- Dedication
- Trinitarian Artistic Depictions
- Introduction
- Part One Biblical Discussion
- Why People Believe in the Trinity
- Principles of Bible Interpretation
- A Great Deception
- Identifying the Legitimate to Avoid the Counterfeit
- Who is the “us”?
- Elohim, Words Are Important, Their Meanings Matter
- Echad, Words Are Important, Their Meanings Matter
- Veiled Speech and Parables
- Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) That Arise From the New Testament
- FAQ 1: How can God be a solitary God, absolutely alone in His Deity, if God and Jesus Christ are Divine?
- FAQ 2: How can we, finite created beings, expect to know and un¬derstand God, an eternal, infinite Being?
- FAQ 3: The Right Hand of God
- FAQ 4: The Prologue of John (John 1:1-14)
- FAQ 5: Kenosis Texts
- FAQ 6: Did Jesus create heaven and earth?
- Part Two Historical Discussion
- The Influence of the Post-Apostolic Church on Doctrinal Beliefs Today
- Philosophy, and its Influence on the Church
- The Background and Doctrine of the Post-Apostolic Church Leaders
- Clement of Rome
- Ignatius
- Polycarp
- Justin
- Irenæus
- Tertullian
- Origen
- Athanasius the Great
- Augustine
- Basil
- The Cappadocians
- Gregory Nazianzen
- Gregory Nyssen
- Church Leaders Summary
- The Councils and Creeds of the Post-Apostolic Church
- The Inquisition
- Michael Servetus
- Epilogue
Genesis 1:26 Let us make man.
Genesis 3:22 Behold, the man is become as one of us.
Genesis 11:7 Let us go down.
Isaiah 6:8 …Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?
Some Trinitarians believe the “us” to be three members of the Godhead, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost. [1] Trinitarians frequently refer to a member of the Trinity as “in the Godhead” as though he were a member of a Godly board of directors. This is an inappropriate application of the word “Godhead.” Godhead is used three times in the Bible: Acts 17:29 theios #2304 (thi’-os), Romans 1:20 theiotes #2305 (thi-ot’-ace), Colossians 2:9 theotes #2320 (theh-ot’-ace). In each instance a different form of the word “theotes” is used.According to Strong’s Greek Dictionary, theotes means “divinity or deity.” You can’t be “in the divinity” as you can be in a board meeting of the board of directors. Instead of saying “in the Godhead” to promote implications of Jesus as a member of the Godhead, they should translate or state “Jesus is divine” or “Jesus is the deity.” We cannot know WHO God is referring to when he uses the word “us” or IF He is referring to anyone because He does not tell us. I do know that these verses are difficult to understand as they appear in the English language. The “us” texts have never posed a problem of plurality of God for the Jews.
The second principle of Biblical interpretation mentioned earlier directs us to understand difficult verses in the light of those more easily understood; therefore, looking at verses which clearly teach the general truth of the Bible would be helpful at this point. Deuteronomy 6:4 states that “the lord (yhwh) is one” and Jesus reiterates this in Mark 12:29. The scribe replied to Jesus in Mark 12:32, “Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he.” In addition to these texts, the 10,000 examples of implicit and explicit texts mentioned earlier teach that he is the only God, alone in creation.With these texts/truths in mind, is it reasonable to conclude that the “us” with God are God-partners?Absolutely not! How could God be alone while spreading out the heavens and earth if he had two coequal, coeternal partners with Him? It would be impossible for God to be alone if that were the case! If He were not alone as God the creator, then those other texts are false. If those texts are false, trusting any part of the Bible would be a mistake. Thank God that is not the case. No one knows the intentions of God in the “us” verses. God does not explain that he was referring to anyone. If he was referring to someone or to several individuals, he does not explain who it was with him. People have many theories concerning the object of God’s statement in Genesis 1:26.
The Trinitarian theory is not universally accepted but is represented here by a portion of Adam Clarke’s commentary of Genesis 1:26.
The text tells us he [man] was the work of ELOHIM, the Divine Plurality, marked here more distinctly by the plural pronouns US and OUR; and to show that he was the masterpiece of God’s creation, all the persons in the Godhead are represented as united in counsel and effort to produce this astonishing creature.[2]
E.A. Speiser translates the verse:
Then God said, “I will make man in my image, after my likeness…” and he supports his translation in the following manner: For the singulars “my image, my likeness” Hebrew employs here plural possessives, which most translations reproduce. Yet no other divine being has been mentioned [emphasis mine]; and the very next verse uses the singular throughout; cf. also ii 7. The point at issue, therefore, is one of grammar alone [emphasis mine], without a direct bearing on the meaning. It so happens that the common Hebrew term for “God,” namely, Elohim is plural in form and is so construed at times (e.g., xx 13, xxxxv 7, etc.). Here God refers to himself, which may account for the more formal construction in the plural. [3]
The next three quotes demonstrate the Jewish/Rabbinic perspective. The first is titled “Everyman’s Talmud.” The Talmud is “The most significant collection of the Jewish oral tradition interpreting the Torah.”[4]
The Rabbis also had occasion to defend the monotheistic view of God against the attack from the early Christians who sought a foundation for their trinitarian doctrine in the text of the Hebrew Bible. The principal passage bearing on the subject reads: ‘The Minim* asked R. Simlai, “How many gods created the Universe?” He answered: “Let us consult the former days; for it is written, ‘Ask now of the former days which were before thee since the day that God** created man upon the earth’ (Deut. iv. 32). It is not written here ‘created’ as a verb in the plural, but in the singular, denoting therefore a singular subject. The same answer applies to Genesis i. I.”
‘R. Simlai said: “In every place where you find a text which is used by the Minim in support of their opinions, you will find the refutation by its side.” They returned and asked him: “What of that which is written, ‘Let us make man in our image, after our likeness’ (Gen i 26)?” He answered: “Read what follows: it is not said, ‘And gods created man in their image.’”[5]
*Minim: The word denotes ‘sectaries’ [members of a sect] and usually refers to Christians.
**God: The Hebrew word for ‘God,’ Elohim, has a plural form.
The second Jewish text is taken from “The Torah Anthology.” “The Torah Anthology is a clear, modern translation of Me’am Lo’ez, hailed as “the outstanding work of Ladino literature” Written by Rabbi Yaakov Culi, one of the greatest Sepharadie sages of his time, the book was first published in 1730. It changed the spiritual climate of the entire Mediterranean region. Eastern Jews esteemed Me’am Lo’ez as a major classic, affording it virtually the same status as the Talmud and Midrash. Many count Me’am Lo’ez among the best commentaries ever written on the Torah-in any language. The book is a veritable encyclopedia of Jewish knowledge” (Bookstore description).
This verse must be explained carefully, since its wording is very surprising. Nonbelievers argue that there is a multiple godhead, attempting to use this verse a proof text for their contention since it says, “Let us make man,” in the plural.
Because of this the sages changed this verse when they translated it for King Ptolemy. Instead of “Let us make man,” they wrote, “I shall make man.”
The Jew is a master of his soul, and believes that “God is One and His name is One” (Zechariah 14:9). We are not impressed by their “proofs,” since we always find refutation close at hand. In this case, the very next verse states, “And God created (in the singular) man” (ar®`b=Y]w <yhù!ýa$)). This is a clear indication that the Creator is an absolute unity. The verse uses the word VaYivra (ar®`b=Y]w)) ) in the singular for “created,” and not VaYivr’u which would be the plural.[6]
The Torah Anthology explained the use of “us” in Genesis 11:7 in the following way:
The reason that God used the plural for is the same as His reason for saying “Let us make man” (1:26). Here too, he was consulting with the angels. The Torah uses this expression to teach us the lesson that even a great person should consult with his friends before doing something, although these friends may be greatly inferior to him.” [7]
The following alternative explanation provided by Robert A. Sabin discusses how God could be speaking externally or internally:
“God is speaking in Genesis 1:26. GOD, the entire Deity, it does not say that one of the persons of the Trinity is speaking, but it says the Deity is speaking. I say the entire Deity is speaking, not because I believe that the Deity can be divided up but because the Trinitarian doctrine does indeed divide up the Godhead though they claim they do not. It divides the Godhead and adds society to it and declares that the persons of the Godhead can speak to each other. I say in contrast to that, that the Bible says, “God said.”If the Bible had said, And God the Father said, Let us make man in our image, then we would have the doctrine of the Trinity because we would have one of the persons of the Godhead being the speaker. But it does not say that.It says, “And God said ‘Let us make man in our image….’”
“If God is speaking, He can be speaking in only one of two directions. He can be speaking externally. That would mean that he would be speaking to others, which would mean that others were involved in the act of creation. These “others” would be others in addition to God, or “others,” other than God. Could God have been speaking to others? Not according to Malachi 2:10: Have we not all one Father?hath not one God created us?There is no indication in scripture that God, the Deity, the first cause, the prime mover, the creator, had others with him in the act of creation who were collaborating with him in creating mankind or any other part of creation. If we say that God was speaking externally, such as to the angels, then we must show how the angels participated in creation. Did angels create man? Not according to Genesis 1:27: God created man in his own image. It does not say, “God and the angels;” it does not say, “God the Father and God the Son.” It does not say, “God through the agency of the eternal Son of God created man in his own image.’ It says simply God created. The whole act of God and his creation is completed with that statement. God created man in his own image. I would conclude that God was not speaking externally. He was not speaking to others, other than himself.”
“If he was not speaking externally, then there is only one other direction that he could be speaking and that would be internally. That would be speaking or communicating with himself, if he is communicating at all, if it is not just a rhetorical statement. If he is communicating, and it is not external communication, then it must be internal communication. We can all speak in only two directions: I can speak to you or I can speak to myself. I can speak to others or I can speak to myself. The end result is that I am speaking either externally or internally. If God spoke internally, (mind you I am not saying that God spoke either externally or internally because God did not say how he was speaking) he made no explanation of it in this verse. In Old Testament days, nobody even asked; they simply took it for what it said, that God created man all alone. The fact that the “us” and the “our” was there was not a problem.”
If someone says that God spoke internally (that he spoke to himself), they proceed to tell us that he spoke either majestically (using the plural of majesty) or spoke deliberatively (using the plural of deliberation). The plural of majesty would be the plural of a very important person or potentate using us or we in reference to himself (not to include in the reference other corroborative or collaborating persons) in the plenitude of his power.
Is speaking in the plural of deliberation possible (God deliberating within himself)? Can God deliberate after the counsel of his own will (Ephesians 1:11)? Were either of these two things possible? I would have to say that I believe they are at least possible though I would not tell you that he is speaking either one way or the other way because the Bible simply does not say; nor was it a problem. Those who read it did not consider it an introduction to a composite character of God’s being. It was simply the way God said something.
Regardless of what scholars determine God to mean, they are speculating as to God’s intentions because he does not say to whom he was speaking, or if he was speaking to anyone.[8]
The footnote for Genesis 1:26, 27 in the Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible (King James Version) states,
Is God singular (Deut. 6:4; 32:39; Isa. 45:5; John 17:3; I Cor. 8:6) or plural (Gen. 3:22; 18:1-3; Ps. 97:7; Isa. 48:16; John 10:34-38)? The Hebrew word for God is ‘elohim (430), a plural noun. In Gen. 1:1 it is used in grammatical agreement with a singular verb, bara (1254), “created.” When the plural pronouns in “Let us make man in our image after our likeness” are used, does it mean an august plural of excellence or majesty? Is God speaking to the angels or the earth or nature? Or is this a germinal hint of a distinction in the divine personality? No one can be certain. [emphasis mine] Until Jesus came, the internal unity of the Godhead was not understood.[9]
The “plural of majesty” has been mentioned several times thus far and the topic may arise again in subsequent sections. The question has been raised by a prominent Trinitarian concerning the claim that the plural of majesty is a legitimate explanation to the “us” verses and plurality in the word Elohim.
…You can’t find the “plurality of majesty”–you nor anybody alive can find it–in ancient Near East literature before the Christian era. That’s number one. You will not find it! You search any literature you want–they’ll never find the phrase, “plurality of majesty.” Secondly, the term itself actually came into existence in the 13th century of the Christian era ….[10]
Ezra 4 disproves Dr. Martin’s assertion. Ezra tells a story of the enemies of Judah writing a letter to the King of Persia, Artaxerxes, to complain about the Jews rebuilding the walls of Jerusalem. Ezra 4:11: (This is a copy of the letter they sent him.) “To King Artaxerxes, From your servants, the men of Trans-Euphrates….” The letter was clearly written to King Artaxerxes yet in his response to the letter in verse
18, the king says, “The letter you sent us [emphasis mine] has been read and translated in my presence.” Artaxerxes using “us” to refer to himself is an example of the plural of majesty.
The very fact that many Trinitarians refer to the use of a plural of majesty should make one suspicious of the validity of the statement made above. Dr. Martin may be correct in saying I cannot find the phrase “plurality of majesty,” but I am about to quote several authors that will document its use before the thirteenth century of the Christian era. Acceptance of the concept of plural of majesty is widespread among Bible scholars.
Let us make man. Let us could indeed be taken simply as a plural of majesty, for the custom of rulers speaking in the plural appeared with the Persians.[11]
The “plural of majesty” did not arise first in Israelite tradition as a result of the identification of Elohim with Yahweh or the gradual development from polytheism to monotheism. On the contrary, this is an ancient pre-Israelite expression which was employed in Babylonia and Canaan even with a singular verb. Thus in Akkadian the plural word ilanu (“gods”) could be used in homage to a particular god, like the moon god Sin, to express the worshipper’s view that he is the highest God, in whom the whole pantheon is represented. In the Amarna Letters, Cannaanite vassals addressed the deified pharaoh as ilania (“my gods”), thus saying that the fulness of deity is concentrated in him.[12]
The noun Elohim, although a Hebrew plural form of Eloah, is characteristically used except when polytheistic heathen divinities are in view (Ps. 96:5; 97:7) with a singular verb or adjective in strict conformity with the uncompromised monotheism of Hebrew revealed religion…..A superficially similar phenomenon occurs in the fourteenth century (B.C.) [emphasis mine] Amarna letters with a different result. The letters use ilani, which as the plural of El appears frequently in Akkadian for “the gods,” with a singular verb in order to designate “the deity,” thereby concentrating emphasis on one particular god….[13]
The plural “We” was regarded by the fathers and earlier theologians almost unanimously as indicative of the Trinity: modern theologians, on the contrary, regard it either as pluralis majestatis; or as an address by God to Himself, the subject and object being identical….No other explanation is left, therefore, than to regard it as pluralis majestatis–(an interpretation which comprehends in its deepest and most intensive form (God speaking of Himself and with Himself in the plural number, not reverentiae causa), but with reference to the fulness of the divine powers and essences which He possesses).[14]
It is not my intention to saturate this paper with quotes to convince anyone God utilized the plural of majesty when plural pronouns were used. It is my intention to document scholarly opinions to show the question of plurality within the nature of God is not confirmed to any degree by the evidence supplied by Trinitarians. I have not proven that the phrase “plural of majesty” existed before the thirteenth century of the Christian era. I have proven that scholars believe that a similar practice took place centuries before the birth of Christ; and that it has a legitimate potential in explaining the “us” verses and the use of Elohim to describe God. Most of the sources quoted are Trinitarian in their doctrine but the majority of them are of the opinion that the “us” verses cannot be used to substantiate any plurality in God.
It must be remembered that the Bible does not inform us to whom God was speaking or whether he was speaking to anyone. Theologians are making nothing more than educated guesses when they make a determination since God did not designate any object of his declaration.
I mentioned at the beginning that anyone willing to study will be exposed to conflicting information. Many people will not be satisfied with any explanation until they get to heaven and ask God personally. Until then I am satisfied with the knowledge of who was not with God. It could not have been another God or even a partner God within a God-corporation because God said He was alone.
[1] The term God the Father is an accurate description of the spirit of God to Jesus, his son. It is used 18 times in the New Testament. The way Trinitarians use the term to describe the Father as one of the three members of the Trinity is not Biblical, as God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are not Biblical. They represent Trinitarian concepts and are therefore italicized.
[2] Adam Clarke, Clarke’s Commentary, (Abingdon. First released in England in1810), Genesis 1:26, p. 38.
[3] E. A. Speiser, The Anchor Bible, Genesis. (Doubleday & Co. 8th Printing), pp. 4 & 7.
[4] https://www.jewfaq.org/search.shtml?Keywords=Talmud&Ask.x=0&Ask.y=0
[5] Every Man’s Talmud, The Major Teachings of the Rabbinic Sages by Abraham Cohen. Copyright © 1949 by E. P. Dutton. First published by Shocken Books in 1975, p.5.
[6] The Torah Anthology, Genesis, Book One, Yalkut Me’Am Lo’ez, Copyright © 1977 by Maznaim Publishing Corporation, p. 107.
[7] The Torah Anthology, Genesis, Book One, Yalkut Me’Am Lo’ez, Copyright © 1977 by Maznaim Publishing Corporation, p.421.
[8] Robert A. Sabin, To Whom Was God Speaking? (Published by Oneness Ministries,1987, quoted from a tape).
[9] Spiros Zodhiates, Th.D., Compiler and Editor, The Hebrew-Greek Key Study Bible (King James Version), (Baker Book House © 1984) , p. 2.
[10] Walter Martin, Quotation from transcript of The Trinity or “Jesus Only”: What Do the Scriptures Teach? (© 1985 by The John Ankerberg Evangelistic Association), Transcript, p. 31.
[11] George Buttrick, Editor, The Interpreters Bible (Abingdon Press), p.182.
[12] Bible Interpreters Dictionary of the Bible (Abingdon Press), p. 416.
[13] Carl F. H. Henry, God, Revelation, and Authority (Word Inc. 1976), Volume II, p. 185.
[14] Keil and Delitzsch commentary on O.T. (Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1949), Volume l, p. 62.
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